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Post by Admin on Jan 19, 2016 21:11:03 GMT
Post any comments about "In Adam's Fall": New England Primer ABCs, ideas, illustrations and themes.
Suggested question: What do you think about the similarities to modern ABCs and the differences from modern children's readings?
Dr. de Manuel
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Post by Karen Beyer on Jan 25, 2016 3:02:27 GMT
"In Adams fall we sinned all" because Adam sinned we have all sinned since we are his children. As the reading continues some stood out to me more than others. For example " A dog will bite a thief at night" to me means a lot. Dogs are a "mans" best friend and the reason I put man in quotation marks is because I am a female and my dog is my best friend and will protect to me through out the night. Hence "a dog will bite a thief at night". This meaning to me also means that a dog will chase away the bad guys. "As runs the Glass, Mans life doth pass" this part of the reading to me means time is short and your life runs quick into death. "Time cuts down all, both great and small" time does not discriminate, time does not care if you're powerful or not. Time is time and everyone has it, we all have 24 hours in a day it is just our choice how we use it. "The moon shines bright, In time of night" this part of the reading to me means even when it is dark there is still a light shining bright. Even if there are hard times there will always be light.
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Post by caroline17 on Jan 25, 2016 19:38:20 GMT
"The mood shines bright in time of night" explains that even in the darkest hours or even the worst situations the person might think they are in, there is always a light at the end of the tunnel and a positivity that can be found if looked for. I myself can relate to this because I always try hardest to look for that positivity in every situation. What I think went well with this quote is, "Nightmares sing in time of spring". This quote stood out to me the most. This explains that to every good, there is a bad, and to every bad, there is good, creating an important balance so one can appreciate the good when it's there. If everything was good all the time, how would we appreciate it without the bad? "My book and heart shall never part" is one other quote I liked. To me, it shows a sense of self appreciation. The book can be looked at as the persons journey, the ups and downs, the positives and negatives, the losses and gains. This can also be a continuing story of ones life which the person consistently updates. So holding on to this book, and appreciating it, can help the person realize they are who they are because of this journey that has been written in this book, thus, "my book and heart shall never part".
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Post by ingridvintimilla on Jan 26, 2016 1:29:51 GMT
The rhyme “In Adam’s fall, we sinned all” is a very blunt rhyme. This rhyme was written in the 1650s. Back then many things were not hidden from children the way they are today. The first line says, “In Adams fall, We sinned all”. Many people believe that children are not capable of sinning because of their inability to see the world’s darkness. In my opinion children are capable of sinning. I believe this because children are still human and human’s sin. Humans are not perfect and that is okay because we all learn from our “sins” or “mistakes”. I believe that it is okay for children to know when they make mistakes and to learn from them. The rhyme also says, “Youths forward slips, Death soonest nips”. This line discusses how life happens so quickly and how in the blink of an eye death is waiting for us right around the corner. Again, I do not see anything wrong with this line because I believe that children should know what death is. Death is something that should not be hindered from a child because God forbid something were to happen to a loved one of the child, how would one explain this to the child if the child never heard of it? The child will be befuddled and that is not right, in my opinion. I believe that the more you know, the clearer your pathway shall be.
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Post by Catherine Coffey on Jan 26, 2016 13:31:13 GMT
In "Adams Fall We sinned All" illustrates a rhyme that was used in childrens alphabet books to help them recite and memorize words back in the 1650's. Compared to how children readings are written now to the reading then it clearly dictates how different and difficult this style of teaching was. In modern childrens reading authors use very bright, cheerful,fun illustrations to really connect the children into what they are reading. In "Adams Fall We sinned All" In one of the lines that stood out to me the most was" The idle Fool Is whipt at school" giving me the understanding that they did not tolerate children who werent as well educated at school or had difficulties in learning. In another line that stood out to me ; " Youths forward slips Death soonest nips" the message that I was getting across while reading this was that children had to abide by strict rules that were enforced to them by their parents and school with this line acting as a warning to children.
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Post by Joanna Romero on Jan 26, 2016 20:24:07 GMT
In "Adams Fall We sinned All" each letter of the alphabet is used to describe what is going on in the picture next to it. Some of the pictures and descriptions do not fit the theme of a children’s book. “Youth’s forward slips Death soonest nips.” Is one example. This is a line in the poem that means with just a simple mistake you will be punished by death. The description is next to the picture that shows a child being chased by a skeleton that is trying to spear him in the back. This is a very vivid and almost scary thing for a child to read. Another example is “Time cuts down all, Both great and small.” This description is next to a picture of what looks like a man with a weapon cutting things down in a field. This is another example of something that doesn’t belong in a children’s book because the description is saying it doesn’t matter who you are or how old you are, death doesn’t discriminate and will take everyone. This is scary for a child to read they want to hear about smiles and happiness not death and horror.
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Post by Antonette Bassi on Jan 27, 2016 0:48:59 GMT
In “Adams Fall We sinned All” next to each picture is each letter in the alphabet. This is used to help understand and describe the picture that is next to it and to help memorize the alphabet for children. The line that stood out to me most in this poem was “The idle Fool Is whipt at school”. That is what the letter F was standing for. To me this meant they didn’t stand for anything less. To me it is very normal for kids to make mistakes. That’s how they grow and learn in life. In “The mood shines bright in time of night” Even at your worst there will always be a time you can get through it.
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Post by Shamequa Lindo on Jan 27, 2016 2:57:14 GMT
In the poem "Adam's Fall We Sinned All" has visual representations with each letter of the alphabet to make children learn and comprehend what message is being taught to them. The differences that this poem has from modern ABC's is that some parts of the poem can be very scary and inappropriate. For example, "A dog will bite a thief at night" it is telling kids that dogs can be very dangerous especially when they don't people that they aren't use to. Another example is, "Uriah's lovely wife made David seek his wife" where this part of the poem displayed that looking at someone else's wife while bathing is a sin. The only person who is supposed to see his wife naked is Uriah. It also had some happy parts as well which I really liked and the part that was really nice was "An eagle's flight is out of sight" this part of the poem shows that an eagle is amazing part of nature which anyone can adore from just looking into the sky.
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Post by lizmcc on Jan 27, 2016 11:02:12 GMT
Although majority of the letter rhymes in The New England Primer’s alphabet book are completely inappropriate for young children, the images next to each letter seem to help a little bit. The simplistic sketches associated with each letter’s rhyme, although still inappropriate in most cases, help to make the book more interesting and approachable to children. For example, the rhyme for the letter “c” is “The Cat doth play, And after slay.” The image next to it is a picture of a cat laying down and watching two mice run away from it. Even though the image combined with the rhyme is clearly showing a cat ready to kill the two mice, it brings a playful aspect to the harsh letter rhyme. Another example is the letter “g” with the rhyme “As runs the Glass, Man’s life doth pass.” The picture is a sketch of an hourglass with the sand falling through to the bottom and is surrounded by drawn back curtains. Even though the rhyme is saying that everybody is going to die, the simple image shows a recognizable hourglass which makes the alphabet book more approachable to children.
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Post by Francesca Torchia on Jan 28, 2016 17:00:34 GMT
In 1690, The New England Primer was how colonial children studied their ABC’s. It displayed pictures and rhymes to help the children recite and memorize the alphabet. Being that they used pictures and rhymes to help the children back in 1690 remember the alphabet, you would think it would be similar to children books todays. Many children learning the alphabet today use picture books to help them understand the alphabet like in “Adam’s Fall”. But after reading The New England Primer it is very different from how we would introduce the ABC’s to children today. One major different would be the violence used in The New England Primer. For example, for the letter F, the rhyme was “The idle Fool is whipt at school”. This could be scary for a 5 year old who is just starting school. They might already fear started school and then reading how at school whips are used could be scary. Another violent rhyme would be for the letter X. The rhyme is “Xerxes the great did die, and so must you and I”. This could be very frightening for a child learning the ABC’s. Children’s alphabet books today are very cheerful and colorful and the word dying is not something to be cheerful about. This definitely would not be written in a children’s book today.
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Post by nicolegigs13 on Jan 28, 2016 20:40:01 GMT
The Lamb, written by William Blake is a descriptive poem spoken by a child with a limited point of view. The poem describes the beauty of the lamb. It states, “Gave thee clothing of delight, softest clothing, wooly bright; Gave thee such a tender voice, making ask the values rejoice!” The child is giving a descriptive view of the lamb.The lines “Little Lamb, who made thee? Dost thou know who made thee?” is talking about how the child is questioning who made the lamb. I believe that the child is questioning not only who made the lamb but perhaps who made everything in this world.The lamb is a religious lamb of God. I believe the poem is coming from a limited point of view because the child is only talking about the good in this world created by God. There is both good and evil in this world but the child is still naive. The child is not aware about how the ancient jews would sacrifice the cleanest lamb with no blemishes to God. The child knows about only the good in the world therefore, the childs views are coming from a limited point of view.
The Wind, written by Christina Rossetti is a poem with an image of nature. The poem talks about who has seen the wind. It states, “Who has seen the wind? Neither I nor you, But when the leaves hang trembling, the wind is passing through.” The poem is talking about how neither you, the reader, or herself has ever seen the wind but she has seen the effects of the wind. I think she is talking about how beautiful nature is. How one part of nature effects another part of nature and how beautiful and magical it is. In addition she states, “ Who has seen the wind? Neither you nor I, But when the trees bow down their heads, The wind is passing by.” We don’t see the wind but we can see the leaves moving in response to the wind. This poem made me think about how in life you don’t always have to see something to know that it is there. In addition it made me think about how you don’t have to see something to appreciate its beauty and all that it is capable of. In addition It made me think about how you don’t have to see something to feel it. In nature this can be about the wind, and in life, we don’t necessarily see love but we feel it with all our might.
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Post by Patrick Doody on Jan 29, 2016 2:33:55 GMT
In "Adams Fall We Sinned All,” each letter is presented with a picture as well as a little rhyme to help children remember the alphabet. Not only does this help children remember the alphabet but most of the pictures were probably used to teach a valuable life lesson as well. Although many of the rhymes and pictures that are used may be considered highly inappropriate for children to use and recite today, the concept of this can be very helpful for children to learn in modern times. For example, the rhyme “The idle Fool is whipt at school,” teaches a valuable lesson to not act out in class, but today it is unacceptable for a teacher to reprimand a student with physical punishment. Just like this 1650’s rhyme, today, the ABC’s song is a very similar tactic to help children remember and recite the alphabet in a little bit more appropriate manner. I do personally feel that children today may be more sheltered and pampered than they are supposed to be but I definitely think that the rhymes in “Adam’s fall we sinned all” are a little too graphic for a young child to learn the ABC’s.
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Post by Sasha on Jan 29, 2016 5:11:59 GMT
"In Adam's Fall," it does not only help children learn their ABC's by having phases that represent each letter in the alphabet, but it also has picture to help the kids understand the meaning of the phrases a little better. Some of these phrases such as "Thy life to mend, This book attend." , " The Cat doth play, And after slay." and many more children at young ages won't understand those phrases at all. So the illustration helps a lot. The representation of the ABC's is not appropriate for young children and is also not written at an age level for young children. Some of the phrases were easily understood and very appropriate, but the rest was not and at that age it should be one consistent flow of appropriateness and easy understanding for the children. To me this alphabetic poem is easily for the adult audience.
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Post by The royal oak was the tree tha on Dec 14, 2022 3:41:47 GMT
"The mood shines bright in time of night" explains that even in the darkest hours or even the worst situations the person might think they are in, there is always a light at the end of the tunnel and a positivity that can be found if looked for. I myself can relate to this because I always try hardest to look for that positivity in every situation. What I think went well with this quote is, "Nightmares sing in time of spring". This quote stood out to me the most. This explains that to every good, there is a bad, and to every bad, there is good, creating an important balance so one can appreciate the good when it's there. If everything was good all the time, how would we appreciate it without the bad? "My book and heart shall never part" is one other quote I liked. To me, it shows a sense of self appreciation. The book can be looked at as the persons journey, the ups and downs, the positives and negatives, the losses and gains. This can also be a continuing story of ones life which the person consistently updates. So holding on to this book, and appreciating it, can help the person realize they are who they are because of this journey that has been written in this book, thus, "my book and heart shall never part".
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